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Let's talk motorsailers/pilothouses
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I'm looking for ideas. Here's the parameters: Motorsailer/pilothouse. must have inside helm. Draft less than 5' Under $50K What would you buy and why? go.
Probably mostly a BC kinda boat, but if you can find a Cooper you might want to take a good look. Have done a delivery in a 32 and believe that they had several models in the mid-30's size range. Solid boat. LB
What length? not that I personally would want a boat with less than 5' of draft depending upon where I am going. Gulf, Fisher, nauticat are among a few that I know of with what you describe. Jeanneau has a model or two from the mid 80s that might fit your need. I would need to look it up at the owners site to verify/remember the model name. The few I have seen fit the $$ amount, not sure about the rest of the requirements. marty
blt2ski said: Gulf, Fisher, nauticat are among a few that I know of with what you describe. Click to expand...
Pilothouse sailboats are kind of like "condoms" for sailing. I believe in going commando.
Which is okay if you're undercanvassed.
I don't think you'll see many Nauticats for that price.. Most of the pilothouse boats are larger boats, and as such are going to be out of your price range. IIRC, Cape Dory made a small pilot house boat, but it was a pretty rare beastie.
Okay, here's the list of possibilities that has sorta popped up: Capital yachts Gulf 27 Capital yachts Gulf 32 Fisher 30 Willard Vega Horizon Fales Navigator Anybody have any thoughts on any of these?
Faster said: In the Cooper line there was a 316, a 353, 416 and 502. Few 50s were built and you'd likely only find a 316 or a rough 353 under 50K. Not bad looking for a pilothouse... even the 316 is nicely drawn, but necessarily a bit bulky at that size. The cockpits are smallish, the deckhouses large and so sightlines are fairly compromised from the outside helm. These are relatively beamy hulls but with narrow ends. Fin keels and skeg rudders IIRC. US yachts bought the molds and briefly produced the US 35 and US 42.. not sure how many (or how few) were built and sold. Another short-lived outfit bought the molds of the 316 and a couple of Northwest 32s were built. The last had to be owner finished, we saw it this past summer and he did a nice job of it. Click to expand...
THere is a Gulf 27, not sure about a 29, and there is a 32 to my knowledge. as there is a 27 and 32 at my marina. Then again, if you can afford a few ie 4 $50K bills, I know of a sceptre for sail here in Edmonds wa. If you can find a Jeanneau Fantasia, they have the feel of a MS< altho not a true pilot house design. Marty
Small Gulf Motorsailors I thought I wanted one of these for a while when I was shopping so I dug quite a bit into their pedigree. Most likely story I have been able to piece together is the Newport 27 (NOT 28) hull mold was used to make the Gulf 27, and the same hull was extended to make the 29. Newport 27 was an ok little boat but doesn't set the world on fire performance wise, and the Gulf is heavier. Still neat, maybe I'll get one when I'm 80. (and transplant the pilothouse deck onto a faster boat!)
It was as I recall, and you mention, a newport/cc hull with a pilot house deckhousing on it. There may be a review in Good old boat in the future of a 27, i am recalling a 32 was also done recently. From the fellow that has the 27, there is a reasonably active owners site, or email list too. marty
jrd22 said: Another great boat is Bilgewaters- I think it's a Truant 33? Click to expand...
You west coasters have a lot more choices then i see here in the east. Thanks for the input. TDW, Neptune help me, I am starting to get seriously intrigued by a Navigator or a Willard. yeah they are kind of an odd duck, but it's an interesting package. What brought this brainfart about was running the numbers from the logbook over the past three seasons. Turns out, we motor as often as we sail, and there is always some great sailing to be had in the spring and fall, providing you have some decent weather protection. Regarding draft, Long Point bay tends to get pretty skinny in the fall. Anybody in our marina who draws more than 5.5- 6' is usually hauling out by the middle of september, because the depth begins to get questionable. Which is too bad, because there was some really really great sailing right up until the end of october this year. I don't race, so speed and handling and pointing ability are not at the top of my priority list. I cruise. I tend to cruise slow. I ain't in no hurry because, as far as i am concerned, like a lot of us, i am already there.
Heh-heh. Well played, bl!! [cue golfclap]
And here's mine A 1980 Ta Shing Flying Dutchman Baba 35 Pilot House, designed by Bob Perry; one of about seven in the world. The thing I really like about this pilothouse is how well it integrates into the shape of the boat and the cabin. I think it's one of the best I've seen. As I was buying Perry's book on yacht design, the woman at Armchair Sailor asked, "do you have a boat?" "Yes," I replied. "We pick it up tomorrow. It's a Baba 35 Pilot house." "I hate pilot house boats," she said. I looked at her and smiled... "Well, I didn't buy the boat for you." We got the keys yesterday after a nine month search. Brigadoon has a new home, nestled against the end of Tillicum Marina, on Lake Union. I surprised my broker by wanting to move the boat today, just as a storm system was leaving. We had a dicey moment at the marina but, once we got out into the lake, it was a pretty easy shot to our slip. We took no pictures today. There was too much to do to fumble with a camera. A good friend, who is making a documentary about live aboard folk, did come along and videotape our maiden voyage. Brigadoon now sits against the doc. She's still afloat (we checked after a celebratory dinner at 9 Million in Fremont) last we left her. I'm sure I'll go by and check on her daily. We return Thursday night to settle some more things and plan on camping out on her this weekend. There's much to do. I'll be busy re-bedding chain plate covers, stopping a few small leaks, sorting out the entire boat, building a big todo list, scheduling some engine maintenance, and transitioning to moving aboard the weekend of the 13th of November. It's taken eight long months, looking at possibly a hundred boats, talking to tens of brokers, until we found Brigadoon. Thanks for listening and, as I said to Kerry tonight, "Whew! Done." "No," she replied. "We've just begun." Gosh I love her. The boat isn't bad either. Picasa Web Albums - donn.christianson - Brigadoon
blackjenner said: Brigadoon has a new home, nestled against the end of Tillicum Marina, on Lake Union. Picasa Web Albums - donn.christianson - Brigadoon Click to expand...
Nice boat, blacky! Congratulations. The far east built boats sure have some lovely woodwork... and a damn lot of it!
The budget, man, the budget! $50K. Tops. Even at that I may need to sell an organ.
bljones said: The budget, man, the budget! $50K. Tops. Even at that I may need to sell an organ. Click to expand...
Black - dude, nice Baba!!! She does look super cozy, stout and capable - and there's a lot to be said for that. Perry is definitely the man. Is that a Gibson by the bulkhead? Nice! Now, Dog, baby, I've sailed a tri (a Corsair) at 17 knots - and, granted, it was fun. So I'm not in denial about what multis "can do". I'm talking about the LOOK of the boat. And I'm just saying a tri looks like a freakin' yardsale for hulls. And multis are a little wimpy in the snot. Just ask Tony B.
Gotta agree with smacky on this one... :laugher :laugher :laugher That thing is hideous.
Please, Please make it go away!!!!!!!!!!!
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Review of Sceptre 41
Basic specs..
The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season.
The Sceptre 41 is equipped with a fin keel. The fin keel is the most common keel and provides splendid manoeuvrability. The downside is that it has less directional stability than a long keel.
The boat can enter most marinas as the draft is just about 1.74 - 1.84 meter (5.71 - 6.01 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.
The boat is typically equipped with an inboard Yanmar 4JH-TE diesel engine at 45 hp (33 kW). Calculated max speed is about 6.5 knots
Sailing characteristics
This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.
What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?
The capsize screening value for Sceptre 41 is 1.82, indicating that this boat could - if evaluated by this formula alone - be accepted to participate in ocean races.
What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?
The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 8.0 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.
The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Sceptre 41 is about 283 kg/cm, alternatively 1588 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 283 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1588 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
Sailing statistics
This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.
What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?
What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?
What is a Ballast Ratio?
What is Displacement Length Ratio?
What is SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio)?
Maintenance
When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 46m 2 (495 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.
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If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.
| Usage | Length | Diameter | ||
| Mainsail halyard | 37.3 m | (122.5 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
| Jib/genoa halyard | 37.3 m | (122.5 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
| Spinnaker halyard | 37.3 m | (122.5 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
| Jib sheet | 12.5 m | (41.0 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
| Genoa sheet | 12.5 m | (41.0 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
| Mainsheet | 31.2 m | (102.5 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
| Spinnaker sheet | 27.5 m | (90.2 feet) | 14 mm | (0.55 inch) |
| Cunningham | 4.4 m | (14.3 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
| Kickingstrap | 8.7 m | (28.6 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
| Clew-outhaul | 8.7 m | (28.6 feet) | 12 mm | (1/2 inch) |
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Sceptre 43 Atlantic
- By Quentin Warren
- Updated: August 5, 2002
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In what may be one of this industry’s more agreeable cases of déjà vu, the Newport (RI) boat show last September unveiled a nicely turned out rendition of a Pacific Northwest cruiser already well regarded, this time in the guise of the Sceptre 43 Atlantic. She is a rework of designer Hein Driehuyzen’s popular Sceptre 41, with two feet added to the stern to increase the effective waterline length, elongate the profile and provide space for a convenient sugar scoop transom. Preserved are the earlier boat’s joyful sailing qualities, strong construction pedigree and inside steering capability.
The 41 was a worthy vessel in her own right (see Cruising World June ’86, March ’92). The notion that you can incorporate a separate steering station below and avoid stacking the profile with a raised pilothouse or invoking the motorsailer moniker is fetching, especially in a boat designed for off-season or upper-latitude cruising. The 43, even sleeker with her added length, offers the same advantage. The beauty these days is that given the versatility and dependability of modern autopilot systems, you can opt for an electronic station in the saloon in lieu of another wheel, which allows the main cabin to remain in essence an unadulterated living space when it’s not being used as a command post.
Currently Sceptre Yachts is in the very able hands of Heather Rouse and her husband Jeff, an Australian-born shipwright whose involvement with the construction of these boats dates back to hull #14 of the original 41. The hull is solid glass, the deck cored with Baltek balsa. The keel is a prolonged fin, the rudder skeg-hung with three bearings — at the deck, just above the waterline and at the shoe. Primary steering in the aft cockpit is by way of Edson chain, cable and quadrant. The entry is fine, and hull sections are fairly deep to provide for good payload-carrying ability and a bilge that’s deep enough to accept milk crates. The installation of systems is first-class, stressing accessibility, redundancy and equipment right off the top shelf.
The rig is a custom-built two-spreader keel-stepped affair with cutter capability, fore and aft lowers and a set of “fixed” running backs. The chain plates are secured mechanically to four-inch aluminum pipe that runs fore and aft on each side of the hull, carried by massive fiberglass knees.
Our experience aboard the 43 Atlantic topped off a sparkling day on Long Island Sound last fall. True to form, the vessel is solid as a rock and quite beautifully put together abovedeck and below. In a steady 12 knots of true wind she jogged along to weather at 6 to 7 knots and remained remarkably nimble at the helm for a boat so designed to tackle serious bluewater cruising. On a broad reach she slid home beneath an asymmetrical kite flown off a conventional spinnaker pole that stores vertically on the mast when not in use. The 43 is balanced, powerful and responsive.
With her enhanced teak-finished interior, she’s also elegant and inviting. Here’s a boat with a million little details that make sense and a long-distance track record that’s been proven many times over. Pricing for the upscale Atlantic series is in the $330,000-$350,000 range. Contact Heather Rouse at Sceptre (1993) Ltd, 23-12491, No. 2 Road, Richmond, BC V7E 2C3, Canada; phone (604) 241-9331. Or Jake Leo at Northrop & Johnson, 100 Essex Street, PO Box 207, West Mystic, CT 06388; phone (860) 536-8087.
Sceptre 43 Atlantic Specifications:
- Beam: 12’8″
- Draft 6’1″ (deep): 5’9″ (shoal)
- Disp: 21,500 lbs.
- Ballast: 8,700 lbs.
- Sail Area (100%): 774 sq.ft.
- Mast above: DWL 59’0″
- Disp/Length: 206
- SA/Disp 16.01
- Designer: Hein Driehuyzen
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Pilothouse Sailboats: The Myth of Inside Steering
Updated: Feb 2, 2021
Prior to buying my Cooper 416 more than 20 years ago I was a "traditionalist" when it came to sailboats. I thought Pilothouse sailboats had way to much windage, the big doghouse was hard to see over, the inside steering station added additional maintenance, and they were hotter than a greenhouse in the Mohave Desert when cruising in tropical climates. And, I had not seen too many that were aesthetically appealing. I also felt that "real" sailors should be out in the elements with the wind and rain and the occasional dousing of salt spray peppering your face.
First, and most importantly let me clarify a distinction between modern pilothouse sailboats and motorsailers. For example, the Cooper 416, the Sceptre 41, the Dufour 12000CT, and others are what I consider "modern pilothouse" sailboats that have raised doghouses with sleek lines. Compare these to motorsailers such as the Nauticat 33 & 44, the Cabo Rico PH, and Fishers that look like someone took a sailboat and threw a giant window box on top of the coachroof. I am not a fan of motorsailers as theses types of sailboats embody all the negative connotations of pilothouse designs.
But, as my father was getting on in years, and after sailing (motoring) in the Pacific Northwest (PNW) for a few years where the winds are fickle, the currents strong, and the rain virtually constant...I decided that perhaps a pilothouse was the way to go for the PNW. The pilothouse layout would be more comfortable for my father than the full-keeled True North 34 sailboat that I had prior to my Cooper 416. And besides, if the weather was inclement with no wind and we were motoring (which is quite common in Puget Sound) it would be nice to be able to go below, throw some hot water on the stove for some hot chocolate, and keep watch in the warmth of the cabin while continuing my voyage.
But now, after owning my pilothouse sailboat for more than 20 years with thousands of sea and ocean miles below her...let me debunk the notion of the inside steering station and some of the common myths of a modern pilothouse sailboat.
As I said, after "sailing" in the PNW for 5 years, and with my father getting on in years I considered a pilothouse design as a reasonable compromise. For those of you not familiar with sailing in the PNW, the winds are usually light and variable due to the mountain ranges. There are days of pea soup fog that doesn't dissipate until after noon, and yes...more rain days than dry days. Hell, I even sailed in the snow. So sure, the idea of being able to go below and still keep a watch was more appealing to me. I was also getting older and wiser. Spending 6 hours in the cockpit sitting in the rain when it is 35F outside while motoring from Port Townsend back to Seattle was not fun. Sailing should be fun!
So, in 2000 I bought a Cooper 416 pilothouse sailboat designed by Stan Huntingford and built by Cooper Yachts in Coquitlam, BC, Canada. I also had my eye on a Sceptre 41. I liked the lower profile hull design of the Sceptre, but the interior layout of the Cooper won out. I sailed the boat around Vancouver Island twice, down to San Francisco, up and down the Salish Sea, and in 2019 sailed across the Pacific to Hawaii. And, after 20 years and more than 15,000 miles I realized that I probably actually steered using the inside steering station less than 1 hour.
OK...I acknowledge that I have an autopilot (and also windvane steering added in 2019). In my opinion every "cruising" sailboat should have an autopilot. There are times when I love the feel of the helm such as short day-sails with friends, teaching crew how to steer and maneuver, and beer can regattas such as the Downtown Sailing Series out of Elliott Bay Marina. And sometimes I like to give Tardis (the Garmin Reactor autopilot) and Hephzibah (the Hydrovane wind vane steering) a break, and take over the steering duties and rekindle the sense of sailing rather than just riding on a sailboat. But, it is pure folly to think that you are going to sit at the helm and steering a cruising sailboat for 6 or more hours day after day; it's just impractical.
But, even during these times when I took the helm, it was the helm in the cockpit. When I leave a berth or anchorage I am at the helm in the cockpit. When I am docking or dropping the hook I am at the helm in the cockpit. When I out with friends for a day sail I am at the helm in the cockpit. When I trim sails and setting Hephzibah I am in the cockpit. Even when I am motoring on windless days...I am usually in the cockpit standing watch and Tardis is steering the desired course.
Yes, during inclement weather and really cold days I would stand watch inside. The pilothouse is warm and dry and safe. Of course, I go below to cook nice meals and use the head feeling quite comfortable with Hephzibah or Tardis keeping S/V Discovery on course. The navigation station inside the pilothouse has radar, the primary chartplotter with AIS interfaced, and the autopilot master controller (an AP remote is located in the cockpit). So, with the electronic navigational systems and a 270 degree view ahead and abeam of the boat I feel pretty confident in adequate watch keeping. And more importantly, even during these times below deck either Hephzibah or Tardis were steering the course while the inside helm sat idle.
So, in October 2020 I decided the inside steering station added no benefit, and was just a meaningless "feature." So, I removed the inside helm and built a navigation console. Removing the inside helm pump also meant removing the old copper hydraulic lines and simplifying the hydraulic steering system (e.g. bleeding is easier and uses less fluid). It also removed the redundant gear and throttle control cables. And also, since the navigation station is the epicenter of the boat's electrical system, it also meant some electrical work. I also moved the electronic navigation systems into the console so they have easier access and visibility while sitting at the navigation station.
While the inside steering station on a sailboat seems like a pretty good idea, and certainly adds a "WOW" factor for guests, I must say that unless you sail in northern latitudes in blizzard-like conditions and all your sail controls are controlled via electric switches and motors, the inside steering station really doesn't make a lot of sense. This is not to say the pilothouse design isn't great...but steering from inside a pilothouse is done via an autopilot...not with a wheel .
Some other thoughts about pilothouse sailboats...
The windage myth...
Any surface area above the boat create windage. A J-boat has very little windage. A J-boat has very little if any creature comforts. A Nauticat 44 (motorsailer) has a huge doghouse and a lot of windage. Many of the sleeker pilothouse designs found on the Cooper, the Scepter, etc have less windage than a comparable sized Hanse or Beneteau or Janneau...especially the deck salons, or after adding a dodger and full enclosure around the cockpit.
The Greenhouse Effect myth...
There is a reason why many sailboats berthed or anchored for any length of time in the tropics is virtually covered from stem to stern with Sunbrella. The key to keeping any sailboat cool and comfortable in the tropics is ventilation and shade . This cannot be overstated enough. This means a tent over the foredeck, a boom tent over the doghouse, and a Bimini over the cockpit. Side curtains made from Phifertex around the cockpit also help keep things cool; they provide shade and allow airflow. New cruisers, or casual rally-rat cruisers are easy to spot...they are the folks who anchor their boats (sans canvas coverings) and hightail it to the nearest pub ashore to escape the heat.
Dual steering is difficult to maintain...
This puzzles me a bit. Most pilothouse boats with inside steering stations use hydraulic steering. This actually adds a bit of redundancy in the system should the pump at one of the helm stations break. But, the maintenance on a hydraulic steering systems involves checking the fluid level once a month once the system has been bled of all air (which can be challenging if done improperly). Also, it sure seems to me that if you're going to have 2 helms on a cruising sailboat to have one inside station and one cockpit station. Dual helms in the cockpit on a cruising sailboat makes about as much sense as 2 steering wheels in a car.
Cramped cockpits....
Yes, this is one of the real downsides of many pilothouse sailboats in the 30-50 foot range. The cabin interior is larger which mean the cockpits are smaller. Personally, I don't mind the small cockpit on passages because I sail alone or with 1 or 2 other crew and everything is within easy reach. But, for casual day sails with friends....the cockpit can get quite cramped and there is very little "social distancing" going on. But, the cockpit is still comfortable for 2 people to stretch out and relax on long passages.
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1982 Sceptre 41 Pilothouse
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The Sceptre 41 was one of the first fiberglass boats to successfully merge a pilot house plan with a seaworthy design capable of safely cruising the worlds oceans. Her designer, Hein Driehuyzen, knew the basics of a good cruising boat: tankage low in the boat with good capacity; a design engineered to accommodate all the stores and equipment required for an extended cruise; materials and construction methods that last in an often harsh marine environment; a hull shape that is comfortable in a seaway; and a sail plan that is versatile and easily handled by a cruising couple.
‘Tryste’ is designed for comfort on long voyages. Her pilothouse provides protection in adverse conditions, From the moment you step below you feel at home. The generous galley is to port at the base of the companionway, with a generous aft cabin to starboard. Just forward of the aft cabin is the dining area, with raised seating providing sightlines all around through her many windows.
To port, and just forward of the galley, is the nav station and lower helm. Everything is here to manage the vessel from the safety and comfort of the interior. Amid ships, down a step, is a FabAll diesel heater and bench seat. A cozy place on a cold day.
Slightly forward of the mast and to starboard is a large head with separate shower. And in the bow the owner’s stateroom provides an abundance of storage in hanging lockers and drawers, along with a private seating area.
Beautiful teak and holly sole runs throughout her interior, and the cabinetry is of a very high quality.
Currently on the hard, she is available to be seen in Bowmanville, ON
Equipment: Dimensions: LOA: 41 ft 0 in Beam: 12 ft 8 in LWL: 36 ft 0 in Draft: 6 ft 1 in Displacement: 21500 lbs Ballast: 8700 lbs
Engine: Nissan SD22 4 Cyl Diesel Engine 55HP
Tankage: Water - 230 Gallons in 4 tanks Fuel - 80 Gallons in 2 tanks Waste - 15 Gallons
Electrical: Inverter/Charger - Heart 1200W
Sails: Main - North Furling Main Furling Genoa - 135%, Mack Sails 2013 lightly used #3 - 110% Hank On to Solent Stay, 1992 lightly used Storm Trisail - Hank On to Solent Stay, 1992 Lightly used Solent Stay - Removable, Mounts just behind furler. Hank on #3 and storm sails. Whisker Pole - Forespar Extendable
Winches: Primary - Lewmar #48 Secondary - Lewmar #40 Halyard Winches (2) - Lewmar Wire Reel Halyard Winch - Lewmar #40
Exterior Features: BBQ Swim Ladder - Transom Boarding Ladders Dodger - New 2017 Bimini - New 2017 Full Enclosure Electric Windlass - Nilsson
Instruments: Plotter- Garmin 176C Plotter- Raymarine e7D VHF- Icom M402AutoPilot Wind - DataMarine Speed- DataMarine Radar - Raytheon R10
Interior Features: Stereo - Sony AM/FM/CD/MP3 TV- LG Flat Panel with external antenna Clock-Shatz Barometer-Shatz Diesel Heater- FabAll
Galley: Refrigeration- Nova Kool Propane Stove - Hillerange 3 Burner Convection Oven - GE Pressure Water Hot Water
Additional: Pedestal Cover (2019), Winch Covers, Cockpit Cushions, Tank Monitor, Spare Engine Parts, 8 Pad Steel Folding Cradle,
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Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.
The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3
- SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Ballast / Displacement * 100
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
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The Sceptre 41 is a well built, performance oriented cruising boat that was well ahead of her time with a raised salon and interior helm station. Along with the raised salon, she has many other desirable features such as a deep comfortable cockpit with step-thru transom, wide side decks, and an ocean-going performance underbody. Her interior features a dedicated interior helm station, a U-shaped galley, a raised dinette for great visibility and a stall shower.
It’s not surprising that the Sceptre 41 was chosen by Ferenc Mate for his widely read book, “World’s Best Sailboats”.
Utopias is loaded with gear and ready to go back out cruising
Yanmar 4JH57 common rail with 265 hours
Updated B&G instruments and plotter
Leisure Furl in-boom mainsail system
Spectra watermaker
Monitor windvane
| Name of vessel | Utopias |
| Model | Sceptre 41 |
| Year | 1985 |
| Builder | |
| Designer | Hein Driehuyzen |
| Price | $180,000 USD |
| Location | San Pedro, California |
| Length (feet) | 41 |
| Beam (feet) | 12.8 |
| Draft (feet) | 6.1 |
| Displacement (pounds) | 21,500 |
| Ballast (pounds) | 8,700 |
| Engine model | Yanmar 4JH57 |
| Engine horsepower | 57 |
| Engine hours | 265 |
| Fuel tank capacity (gallons) | 75 |
| Water tank capacity (gallons) | 190 |
| Holding tank capacity (gallons) | 15 |
B&G Class “B” AIS system
SImrad autopilot AP16, at outside helm
B&G wired autopliot remote in companionway
ICOM M506 VHF at inside helm
Remote command mic in cockpit
IC-700 SSB radio at inside helm with AT-139 tuner
Pactor II modem at inside helm
ACR global fix EPIRB
Victron Solar controller
Lunasea Tricolor mast head light (2016)
Weems & Plath ships clock and barometer
Pioneer AM/FM/CD/Sirius (requires subscription) bluetooth radio
12v TV/DVD player that stows underway
Powered TV antenna
Lewmar mainsheet with traveller (rebuilt in 2006)
Harken roller furler (2005)
All lines lead aft thru rope clutches in board genoa tracks with adjustable cars
Running rigging replaced (2016)
Hood full roach main with battens
Hood 105% jib
Ullman asymmetric spinnaker on a Harken top-down furler
Custom anchor locker cover
(2) 90 watt solar panels on top of the bimini
Seldon stow away sprit pole for flying the asymmetrical
Stainless Steel life-lines (2016)
Deck non-skid repainted (2018)
Aluminum toerail with cutouts
Heavy duty dodger with glass windscreen
Bimini with mesh side and back curtains
White shade cloth with netting for at anchor
Teak folding cockpit table
Monitor Windvane that swings to the side with LED stern light (2016)
Pelagic autopilot deployed off the Monitor windvane (2016)
MRUD Emergency rudder that works with the Monitor windvane (2016)
(2) Lewmar ST 62 primary winches
(2) Lewmar ST 52 secondary winches
Winchrite electric winch handle
Harken EST40 cabintop winch on starboard
Harken ST43 cabintop winch on starboard
Harken ST40 cabintop winch on port
Harken ST43 cabintop winch on port
TankTender system
Calibrated dip sticks for fuel tank
Cable steering
Spectra Ventura 150 watermaker
Raritan manual PHII pump toilet
Electric and manual holding tank pumps
All waste hoses replaced (2018)
Outboard motor lift (not currently installed)
The Sceptre 41 is a 41.0ft cutter designed by Hein Driehuyzen and built in fiberglass by Scepter Yachts Ltd. (CAN) since 1982.
The Sceptre 41 is a moderate weight sailboat which is a reasonably good performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a good righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a bluewater cruising boat. The fuel capacity is average. There is a good water supply range.
Sceptre 41 for sale elsewhere on the web:
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| Model | Sceptre 41 | ||
| Length | 41 ft | ||
| Beam | 12.67 ft | ||
| Draft | 5.70 ft | ||
| Country | Canada (North America) | ||
| Estimated price | $ 0 | ?? |
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| Sail area / displ. | 16.74 | ||
| Ballast / displ. | 40.47 % | ||
| Displ. / length | 205.72 | ||
| Comfort ratio | 30.12 | ||
| Capsize | 1.83 |
| Hull type | Monohull fin keel with rudder on skeg | ||
| Construction | Fiberglass | ||
| Waterline length | 36 ft | ||
| Maximum draft | 5.70 ft | ||
| Displacement | 21500 lbs | ||
| Ballast | 8700 lbs | ||
| Hull speed | 8.04 knots |
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| Rigging | Cutter | ||
| Sail area (100%) | 806 sq.ft | ||
| Air draft | 0 ft | ?? | |
| Sail area fore | 468.26 sq.ft | ||
| Sail area main | 338.20 sq.ft | ||
| I | 53 ft | ||
| J | 17.67 ft | ||
| P | 47.30 ft | ||
| E | 14.30 ft |
| Nb engines | 1 | ||
| Total power | 45 HP | ||
| Fuel capacity | 75 gals |
Accommodations
| Water capacity | 190 gals | ||
| Headroom | 0 ft | ||
| Nb of cabins | 0 | ||
| Nb of berths | 0 | ||
| Nb heads | 0 |
Builder data
| Builder | Scepter Yachts Ltd. (CAN) | ||
| Designer | Hein Driehuyzen | ||
| First built | 1982 | ||
| Last built | 0 | ?? | |
| Number built | 0 | ?? |
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We are constantly torn between the mountains and the sea. This blog is an account of our sailing adventures , both in British Columbia/Haida Gwaii, and to Mexico (2013-2015), as well as our mountain adventures (including skiing in the Winter, hiking in the Summer/Fall, and trekking in Nepal). Hopefully this blog will provide you with helpful information on these topics (in addition to documenting our adventures). Welcome!
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Monday 26 September 2011
Pelagia: sceptre 41.
| Pelagia on the TravelLift |
| V-Berth/forward cabin |
| Forward cabin storage |
| Head |
| Shower |
| Main salon |
| Port settee & inside steering |
| Inside steering |
| Nav Desk (starboard) |
| Quarter berth (starboard, aft of Nav Desk) |
| Galley (port) |
| View forward from cockpit |
| Pelagia's skeg-hung rudder |
| Pelagia on the TravelLift (stern) |
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The Sceptre 41, due to designer Hein Dreihuyzen's vision, enjoys a stellar reputation as a solidly constructed ocean capable performance cruising yacht. Her balanced design includes a deck salon with inside steering without sacrificing clean lines, coupled with a full skeg hung rudder and long fin keel providing security with exceptional tracking. Her deep bilges with tankage mounted low can accommodate a row of milk crates for long range stowage.
Lucy May's owner of thirty years has equipped her with many recent, valuable upgrades for easy sailing. She has made annual visits to Clint Currie's yard for bottom work. She boasts recent North Sails inventory with a gennaker and snuffer, Leisure Furl in boom furling system with external mast track, huge Forespar solid vang, Anderson 40ST electric halyard winch, Harken MkIII genoa furling, enormous Lewmar 55 primary winches a full cockpit enclosure/ dodger with flexible solar panels and a full custom heavy sunbrella winter cover. She has both an Espar diesel hot air furnace for cabin heat AND an Espar diesel Hydronic water furnace to heat domestic water, both fueled from a custom separate aluminum tank in the bilge. A feathering three blade Max Prop propeller provides good motoring performance.
She has an Aquapro RIB dinghy with 8 hp Yamaha serviced by a Forespar stainless motor davit on the pushpit.
1983 41' Sceptre
| Keel: Fin LOA: 41 ft 0 in Beam: 12 ft 8 in LWL: 36 ft 0 in Maximum Draft: 5 ft 8 in Ballast: 8000 lbs Dry Weight: 21500 lbs Total Power: 55 HP Engine 1: Engine Brand: Nissan Year Built: 1983 Engine Model: SD22 Engine Type: Inboard Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel Engine Hours: 4115 Propeller: 3 blade propeller Drive Type: Direct Drive Engine Power: 55 HP Number of heads: 1 Log-speedometer Autopilot Depthsounder GPS VHF Wind speed and direction Compass Furling mainsail Furling genoa Fully battened mainsail Gennaker/Cruising spinnaker Steering wheel Electric winch Manual bilge pump Battery charger Hot water Refrigerator Microwave oven Heating Marine head Electric bilge pump Oven Shore power inlet Inverter Cockpit cushions Swimming ladder Solar panel Tender Davits Cockpit table Outboard engine brackets Electric windlass Cockpit cover Bimini Top Mainsail cover Spray hood Genoa cover |
Interior Right forward is a large 'Man Cave' storage for sails/ fenders etc, followed by a large head with large grated shower surround. Hatch over head with manual commode and vanity. Next aft is the owners stateroom with starboard side pullman berth facing navigation station and electrical panels. 2 overhead hatches Next aft is the bright, airy salon with starboard side table and port side settee. Inside engine controls and autopilot steering. Massive storage below accommodates milk crates for storage, under settee tool storage hatches, skylights, hatch. Galley is U shaped with 3 burner LPG Force 10 stove/ oven on gimbal. huge refrigerated ice box with Nova Kool evaporator plates. Companionway access to engine, large open quarter berth with chart table across. Cockpit is protected by full Sunbrella enclosure, deep storage locker with engine access. Folding teak binnacle table. Huge Lewmar 55 primaries and a new Anderson electric halyard winch. Bottom Siders cockpit cushions. Walk through transom to teak swim platform, Stainless dinghy motor davit.
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Sceptre 41. Hello All: The Islander 36 in Mexico was a bust (see Mexico or Bust) so I raised my spending limit and found a real nice Sceptre 41. Problem is this time instead of being South of the border this one is NOrth of the Border in Vancouver BC. Our offer was accepted verbally (the broker is in England, Seller in Florida) and we are ...
It takes into consideration "reported" sail area, displacement and length at waterline. The higher the number the faster speed prediction for the boat. A cat with a number 0.6 is likely to sail 6kts in 10kts wind, a cat with a number of 0.7 is likely to sail at 7kts in 10kts wind. KSP = (Lwl*SA÷D)^0.5*0.5
The quintessential BC pilothouse has to be the Sceptre 41/43... but quite a few $50Ks. Ron ... a newport/cc hull with a pilot house deckhousing on it. There may be a review in Good old boat in the future of a 27, i am recalling a 32 was also done recently. From the fellow that has the 27, there is a reasonably active owners site, or email list too.
The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Sceptre 41 is about 283 kg/cm, alternatively 1588 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 283 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1588 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.
The Sceptre 41 is one of the most respected and sensible Northwest cruising sailboats ever built. With the raised dinette one can take advantage of the beautiful scenery without suffering in the elements. ... Sceptre 41: Year: 1988: Builder: Sceptre: Designer: Hein Driehuyzen: Price: $195,000 USD: Location: Seattle, WA: Length (feet) 41: Beam ...
Sceptre 41 is a 41′ 0″ / 12.5 m monohull sailboat designed by Hein Driehuyzen and built by Scepter Yachts Ltd. starting in 1982. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL ...
Here's a boat with a million little details that make sense and a long-distance track record that's been proven many times over. Pricing for the upscale Atlantic series is in the $330,000-$350,000 range. Contact Heather Rouse at Sceptre (1993) Ltd, 23-12491, No. 2 Road, Richmond, BC V7E 2C3, Canada; phone (604) 241-9331.
First, and most importantly let me clarify a distinction between modern pilothouse sailboats and motorsailers. For example, the Cooper 416, the Sceptre 41, the Dufour 12000CT, and others are what I consider "modern pilothouse" sailboats that have raised doghouses with sleek lines. Compare these to motorsailers such as the Nauticat 33 & 44, the ...
1989. TYPE. Sail. The Sceptre 41 is one of the most respected and sensible cruising sailboats ever built. With the raised dinette, you can take advantage of the beautiful scenery without suffering in the elements. The galley is optimally placed near the companionway and on level with the dinette salon area. The cockpit is well-sheltered behind ...
Equipment: Dimensions: LOA: 41 ft 0 in Beam: 12 ft 8 in LWL: 36 ft 0 in Draft: 6 ft 1 in Displacement: 21500 lbs Ballast: 8700 lbs. Engine: Nissan SD22 4 Cyl Diesel Engine 55HP. Tankage: Water - 230 Gallons in 4 tanks Fuel - 80 Gallons in 2 tanks Waste - 15 Gallons. Electrical: Inverter/Charger - Heart 1200W.
The Sceptre 41 is a well built, performance oriented cruising boat that was well ahead of her time with a raised salon and interior helm station. Along with the raised salon, she has many other desirable features such as a deep comfortable cockpit with step-thru transom, wide side decks, and an ocean-going performance underbody. ...
The Sceptre 41 is a 41.0ft cutter designed by Hein Driehuyzen and built in fiberglass by Scepter Yachts Ltd. (CAN) since 1982. The Sceptre 41 is a moderate weight sailboat which is a reasonably good performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a good righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a bluewater cruising boat.
Of thirteen people on board this site there are two actual owners of Sceptre 41's and another who has one in contract (that's me) All are planning extensive voyages in the the next few years. What Perhaps we Should Start a Sceptre Gang - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
Pelagia is a Sceptre 41 Pilothouse sloop/cutter, Hull #10 built in 1983 by Sceptre Yachts in Richmond, BC. ... Sail Area/Displacement Ratio 16.01. Theoretical Hull Speed 8 Knots. Provisional PHRF Rating 110. Designer H. Driehuyzen. Sails: (as of Summer 2011) Main (2011)
The Sceptre 41, due to designer Hein Dreihuyzen's vision, enjoys a stellar reputation as a solidly constructed ocean capable performance cruising yacht. Her balanced design includes a deck salon with inside steering without sacrificing clean lines, coupled with a full skeg hung rudder and long fin keel providing security with exceptional tracking. Her deep bilges with tankage mounted low can ...
The Sceptre 41 is one of the most respected and sensible cruising sailboats ever built. This particular Sceptre, Waypoint, has proven this with a circumnavigation in her wake. With the raised dinette, one can take advantage of the beautiful scenery without suffering in the elements. The galley is optimally placed near the companionway and on ...
41' Sceptre 41 Pilothouse 1981Specs and photos: https://unitedcityyachts.com/boat_listing.php?id=2345For sale by: Toronto Yacht SalesLocation: Toronto, ONCon...
I have a 41 and love it. The Sceptre group gets together in Puget Sound every year around Sept. The build of the boat is quite good. Here is a link to the Sceptre 41 website Sceptre 41 The prices on them have come down alot in the last year or so but you can expect to spend $125 to $250 for the boat. I don't think they qualify as beginner boats but the good thing about the 41 is that they are ...
Here are some of the boats that were suggested from our readers: Mariner 36, Cal 34, Morgan 43, Swan 43, Bermuda 40, Island Packet 26, Mariner 47, LeComte Northeast 38, Westsail 32, Dana 24, J/35, and the CSY 44. Id be interested in hearing of other nominees for this list, or other good resources for sailors looking for a short list of good ...
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