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Venture 2-24

Venture 2-24 is a 24 ′ 6 ″ / 7.5 m monohull sailboat designed by Roger MacGregor and built by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1971 and 1974.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

  • SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
  • D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

  • D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
  • LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

  • D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
  • LOA: Length overall in feet
  • Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

‘Pop Top’ model though otherwise similar to VENTURE 24.

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Silent Partner wrote: Hi topcat My plan is to learn how to sail her. In 2014, I intend to join in the Wednesday night races. (I use to be on the race committee boat.) Yes, she's in pretty good shape. Muscles or something up around the top of the keel, but it's too cold to go clean her now.

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cdang10- Check out this link: MacGregorSailors.com • View forum - MacGregor/Venture Discussion You have picked up, arguably, the most common starter boat ever introduced to the market. You will be able to find parts and pieces for this boat almost anywhere. There is a very acitve group in almost every boating community for support and comiserating....(dont worry, we all do it).  

Realizing my post could be misconstrued as negative...I should elaborate. By "common", I meant Macgregor has probably introduced more people to sailing than many other manufactures combined. They built cost conscious boats aimed at the novice to intermediate sailor who wants to get out on the water with minimal cash outlay. In general, they are a perfect platform to get out and enjoy sailing..... ....fair winds to ya...  

Thank you MSter! You led me to the perfect place.  

2-24 fan I owned a 2-24 and logged thousands of miles in it. It is a very light displacement boat and is rigged accordingly. It is very easy to single hand and it has just enough sail handling equipment to be a great starter boat for somebody who would eventually like to move up. I loved mine and my wife cried both times I sold it (she made me buy it back the first time). There is almost nothing proprietary on the boat so you should be able to restore and maintaine it very easily. The under water profile (except the rudder and keel, which are easily modified) is ideal for surfing and it was not uncommon to have sustained speeds of 10 to 12 knots on the way to Catalina from MDR. However, that thing has no business in the open ocean and I would discourage going off-shore in it....unless you like white knuckle rides.  

Just want to use this along the coast of Maine. I am truly a beginner - have never been under sail on the ocean. Have a 15' Precision but have only been on lakes. I'm looking forward to learning about this boat while I restore it.  

Venture 2-24 I have a 1972 Venture 2-24 and sail it in coastal Maine waters. Tender, forgiving and will get you back to the mooring if well maintained. I up-graded the rudder with one from Ida and some other odds and ends to make solo sailing much more of a "snap". I put two marine batteries under the foward seat which made a day/night difference (as well as the Ida rudder which is HIGHLY recommended!!) Sailed her off the mooring for three years and it's been great. 2009 got nailed Memorial Day by a squall packing 60+ mph winds; tough day, but made it back to the mooring. Maintenance counts on days like that! I now run a Tartan 27; another of the "good ol' boats"  

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Maybe this has happened to you: You’re on a country road, driving to a wedding (or family vacation or business conference), and you pass a sailboat on a trailer with a “For Sale” sign. It’s not a big boat. It’s not a small boat. But it’s just about right for launching a small adventure with your young family, or maybe you’re looking to downsize. You can’t resist stopping for a closer look. Incredibly, the sign reads “$600,” including a nearly new trailer and an old 4-horsepower, two-stroke outboard that “runs like a top.” You write down the number and drive away, thinking: “Somebody is giving away a perfectly good boat.”

Chances are that “steal of a deal” is a Roger MacGregor-designed Venture 21, and if not, it’s probably one of the many copycats riding the trailer-sailer boom that MacGregor’s little boat ignited. The Catalina 22, the Santana 21, and the San Juan 21 are just some of the boats that followed closely in the wake of the Venture 21’s introduction.

The concept for the Venture 21 came out of MacGregor’s master’s thesis in the Stanford University MBA program. The first hull was introduced in 1965, but full-fledged production didn’t begin until 1967. Several thousand hulls later, the last MacGregor 21 (the boat was renamed in 1980) rolled off the line in 1986 at the MacGregor factory in Costa Mesa, Calif. Today, with some 36,000 sailboat hulls behind it, the company builds just one boat, the hybrid sailboat/powerboat MacGregor 26x.

Although MacGregor sold fewer Venture 21s than its successor—the Venture 22, which later became the pop-top Venture 22-2—the 21’s easy trailerability and affordable price helped it maintain its popularity throughout the 1970s. Capitalizing on the fiberglass revolution in boatbuilding, MacGregor’s business-school project sparked a pivotal marketing shift that helped bring recreational sailing to mainstream America.

While the trailer-sailer boom is far behind us, the Venture 21 and its many look-alikes have renewed relevance today. With their discretionary spending sharply cut, younger sailors are taking the Craigslist-route into sailing, scouring the classified ads for boats that don’t require dock space but still have room for a family sail. Meanwhile, many owners of 30-plus-footers are considering downsizing to a boat that doesn’t require mooring fees and a hefty maintenance bill each spring. For better or for worse, in the dim light of a recession, a back-to-basics giveaway boat on the roadside begins to look awfully enticing. For these and other reasons, PS decided to take a closer look at the Venture 21, which, in many ways, is the epitome of “the boat with a price I couldn’t refuse.”

Venture 21

The Venture 21 was designed to be affordable, easy to trailer and launch, and fun to sail, with enough room below for storing gear, napping, or even spending a night at anchor. It was principally aimed at new sailors, but it also appealed to those who wanted to step up from an open daysailer. Its size, sail area, and hull design were tailored for lakes and bays with fickle breezes of less than 15 knots.

Seaworthiness and performance were important considerations but pragmatism and aesthetic appeal were the driving force behind its design features.

Although the boat’s low headroom and Spartan interior would not qualify it as a weekender today, it was initially marketed as a “cruising” sailboat. A sleep-aboard sailboat that could be hauled around the country behind the family station wagon seemed perfectly in tune with the wanderlust of the 1960s.

While the Venture 21 is regarded as one of the first modern trailer-sailers, no single design element stands out as particularly revolutionary or unique. Instead, MacGregor incorporated proven features that would not only appeal to serious sailors, but also would remain consistent with the public perception of what a good boat should be and look like. In the yacht market, the Cruising Club of America boats were still the aesthetic model. Carl Alberg’s popular Ensign, launched by Pearson in 1962, is a good example of a small boat that clung to the CCA philosophy and aesthetic.

The Venture’s heritage is more closely aligned with two daysailers that were enjoying a surge of popularity on the East Coast in the early 1960s: the 17-foot Day Sailer, designed by George O’Day and Uffa Fox in 1958, and, to a lesser degree, the Phillip Rhodes-designed Rhodes 19, first offered by O’Day in 1959. Both were built by the nascent O’Day Group of Fall River, Mass. The similarities in the three boats are most apparent above the waterline. All have a relatively flat sheer line and spoon-like bow overhang (or spoonbow), elements that predate the modern yachting era.

While the Rhodes 19 still carries fairly deep V-sections well aft, making it a capable performer in the chop typical of its New England home waters, the Day Sailer flattens out, particularly at the stern, giving it fast, near-planing speeds off the wind. Fox and O’Day later refined this feature, earning Fox a reputation as the innovator of the planing dinghy. With a modest V-shape and a relatively fine bow, the Venture 21 lies somewhere between the two Rhodes 19 and the Day Sailer.

The Venture’s swing keel gives it 5 feet, 6 inches of draft—even more than its popular big brother, the Venture 25—and retracts to allow the boat to float in about 15 inches of water. (The brochure says 12 inches.)

Although the original design called for a fractional rig with a 22-foot mast, this was later changed to a masthead rig, giving it quite a bit of horsepower for its era. At the peak of its production in the late 1970s, the Venture 21 enjoyed popularity as a racing boat, with fleets springing up on the Gulf Coast, the Great Lakes, and the Northeast, as well as its home waters of Southern California. Although some owners have gone to the trouble of re-routing running rigging, fairing the keel, adding travelers and vangs, and replacing the pinned turnbuckles with threaded turnbuckles, we’d encourage someone inclined toward performance to look at a more modern hull with an active racing fleet.

One of the most notable features is the boat’s 7-foot cockpit, as big as that found in the much larger and heavier Catalina 22. However, unlike the Catalina 22, the San Juan 21, and the successively longer Ventures (V-22, V-23, V-25) that widened the cabintop to provide more interior space, the Venture 21 preserves enough sidedeck for crew to move forward . . . with care. Many V-21s, like the one we sailed, never had lifelines; others have had their lifelines removed. The standard single lifelines—low and poorly supported by widely spaced stanchions—offer a modicum of safety, but these are still less than ideal. In our view, lifelines are not a deal-breaker on a 21-foot daysailer, but if you have small children, a boat that is equipped with lifelines with a supporting pushpit and pulpit would be preferable.

The cockpit has a small lazarette, presumably to store fuel for the small bracket-mounted outboard, but this leads directly to the bilge, a bad idea that presents a potential fire risk. The original boats came equipped with top-grinding winches with short T-tracks for the jib. The boat we sailed had only a single fixed-point for the jib sheet. The end-of-boom mainsheet has a 4:1 purchase that spreads the load to each corner of the stern, a basic setup that limits trim options. Some owners modified the leads and added a mainsheet traveler, although this entails either raising the traveler over the tiller, or moving the sheet forward on the boom; both are compromise solutions.

A modest 18- by 18-inch fiberglass bow hatch allows ventilation down below, as well as a place for sails to be passed down. There is no anchor locker or chain pipe. The boat we sailed had an 8-inch diameter screw-on PVC deck plate that was apparently used as a chain pipe.

Overall, the deck has a functional layout, fine for its primary mission, which is to enjoy some time on the water with very little hassle.

Accommodations

The biggest drawback to the Venture 21’s emphasis on trailerability and a 1960s aesthetic is the lack of headroom below. By keeping the cabintop and topsides profile low, MacGregor produced a boat that, in our view, is better looking than the slab-sided models that followed. However, the end result is a very cramped interior. The VW-camper-inspired pop-top on the Venture 22-2, which came shortly after the Venture 21, offered a compromise that was adopted by a number of boats in this size range. Gradually, the intrinsic appeal of a low profile gave way to market demands. (MacGregor’s current and only model, the M26x, is a classic example of the wedding cake look that eschews traditional aesthetics for the sake of comfort below.)

With two quarter berths and a V-berth, the Venture 21 technically could sleep four, but this sort of arrangement probably would be brief and acrimonious. Although you could pack a lot of gear under the cockpit, actual locker storage is limited. Some ambitious owners have added sinks, small galleys, 12-volt systems, and port-a-potties below, but the boat’s cramped headroom restricts its suitability for more than a few days of cruising. For the 20-something adventurer with aspirations of camp-cruising on one of America’s many inland lakes, it will do just fine, but more than a couple of days aboard a boat this size will be a sure test of any marriage.

Construction

During the Venture 21’s 15-year production run, from 1965-1980, the materials and construction methods used for its deck, rig, structural components, and keel went through several changes. Construction of the hull itself, however, remained virtually unchanged. The hull was hand laid up with woven roven and mat. The layup schedule was a single unit of alternating mat and woven roven. Owners do report flexing in some spots, although we noted none on the boat we tested. The early boats are fairly resin rich, so hull thickness is not necessarily a reflection of strength.

The earliest Ventures had a stick-built interior, with bulkheads and bunks made of resin-coated cuts of plywood that were laminated in place. These earlier versions make it easier for owners to modify or rebuild an interior, and this is almost an inevitable project, given plywood’s propensity to rot and delaminate.

By the mid-1970s, MacGregor switched to a molded liner, which accelerated production and eliminated issues of rot, but added about 200 pounds to the total weight. Large sections of the boat are enclosed and filled with foam—a touted safety feature—but it is nonsense to consider the boat unsinkable, as some websites and blog posts suggest.

About 50 V-21s featured lead keels. The poured lead was anchored to a steel beam, and the entire construction sheathed in fiberglass. This process was not only expensive, but it also presented significant corrosion problems, as water eventually migrated into the fiberglass-encased keel.

Most models have solid iron keels; corrosion, however, is still a problem with these keels, but they can be removed, ground-down, faired, and sealed with an epoxy barrier coat to provide many more years of service. This is the biggest “problem” with the Venture 21, and any buyer should take a close look at the keel and the related components.

The original deck was plywood core, but this was later changed to balsa. In either case, rot is a potential problem (particularly in areas of the owner-installed deck hardware), but none of the 14 owners of Venture 21s who participated in our survey reported significant problems with deck rot.

The hull-to-deck joint was initially a bolted and adhesive-bonded shoebox joint, in which the lip of the deck flange fits over the hull just like a shoebox lid. This was later modified to an outward turning flange joint, with the hull lip turning outward to present a horizontal bonding surface for the deck. In both cases, the joint was bonded with a polyurethane adhesive sealant such as 3M 5200, bolted together, and then covered with an extruded aluminum and vinyl rubrail. Neither joint is as rugged as an inward-turning flange, but this is method is typical for a boat of this size.

Early versions of the Venture 21 were fractional rigs, but the majority were masthead rigs with overlapping jibs. An off-center backstay and upper and lower shrouds add support to the 22-foot mast. Early boats, like the 1969 model that we test sailed, did not have spreaders on the upper shrouds. In windy areas, where mast pumping is a noticeable problem, retrofitting spreaders—or looking for a more suitable boat—would be a good idea. The chainplates are through-bolted to the hull, eliminating the typically rot-prone attachment to plywood bulkheads found in some larger boats of this vintage. The original turnbuckles are the fixed-adjustment type that allow 1/8-inch adjustment intervals, making it hard to tune the rig at sea, but impossible to over-tighten, a common novice error.

The two biggest problems cited in our owners’ survey were the hand-crank keel winch and the keel-retaining bolt. Although the keel winches on later MacGregor models are braked mechanisms that will not spin freely under load, the one on the Venture 21 is a common ratchet-type trailer winch. If it is let go under load, the handle can whip around dangerously. Many owners have replaced this with a braked winch—a good idea, although these winches will require more maintenance. The keel-retaining bolt is a 3/8-inch diameter bolt that is slipped through a hole in the centerboard trunk and a corresponding hole in the keel. It is used to lock the keel in place when sailing in deep water, preventing the keel from flopping back into the hull should the boat capsize or surf down the face of a wave. The retaining bolts are commonly bent during a grounding, and any boat with a bent one should be inspected closely around the hull and keel trunk for other signs of damage.

Overall, the construction is light, but adequate for the boat’s designed purposes. If the deck isn’t too rotten, and the swing keel and keel box aren’t shot, most any other potential problem on the Venture 21 is easily remedied by someone who is handy and has the time.

Performance

During its heyday, the Venture 21 was promoted for it speed. MacGregor touted its position as the first of the “hot retracting keel boats” and the “fastest of its type,” with “planing speeds at over 16 miles per hour.” In this age of ultra-light monohulls and multihulls with eye-popping sail area (see PS, September 2009 and May 2010), this sort of hype seems quaint, but if you compare the Venture 21 to other boats of its era, it is clearly no slouch (See “Venture 21 in Context,” page 11). Its sail area/displacement ratio puts it ahead of several contenders, and its hull form—as mentioned—does give it an ability to hit double-digit speeds in the right hands.

The boat we test sailed was handicapped by ancient sails and an outboard that could not be fully tilted out of the water. Although the boat had a masthead rig, the headsail was a fractional working jib. A 140-percent genoa, found on many boats, would have added about 25 percent to the total sail area. To windward, the boat tacked smartly through 90 degrees, although we’d expect a boat with good sails to point higher. The boat was initially tender on the wind, but once the full effect of the 400-pound keel exerted its influence, the boat settled into a comfortable heel. Despite the deep bellies in her sails, the boat handled gusts surprisingly well, and by adjusting the swing keel’s depth, testers could easily achieve a balanced helm. Off the wind in 12 to 15 knots of breeze, we were able to sustain speeds of 7 knots under working sails alone with the keel almost fully retracted. While not wind-in-your hair sailing by today’s standards, it meets our definition of fun.

Conclusions

After spending some time aboard the Venture 21, we were reminded how much and how little has changed since the boat was introduced more than 40 years ago. Most comparable modern “weekenders” with big cockpits and modest cabins, like the Precision 21 or Catalina Capris 22, offer much more in terms of safety, systems (limited as they are), and modern conveniences. And entry-level daysailers like the thermo-molded Hunter 216 offer more in terms of performance options, such as a sprit for the asymmetrical sail and rigging conveniences like a hydraulic lifting keel. If true small-boat performance with a potential for one-design racing is what you’re after, then a boat like the J/22 presents a more sensible choice.

While overall construction quality has improved over the past 40 years, most daysailer hulls (the Hunter 216 and the balsa-cored J/22 excepted) are still solid fiberglass and laid up by hand, an economical and forgiving method. Many daysailers with cabins are actually much heavier than the lightly built V-21, but they also have much better finish quality.

The bottom line with the Venture 21 is the bottom line. If you hunt around long enough, you are likely to pick up a sailaway boat with a trailer and outboard for less than $3,000­—about the cost of a new trailer. The boat we sailed sold for far less, including the trailer and 4-horsepower Evinrude. If you are really patient, you can probably find a fixer-upper that someone will give to if you promise to drag it off their property.

Is this 40-year-old, mass-produced boat still a viable option for the entry-level sailor, or someone looking to downsize? No question about it. The Venture 21 is not a boat we’d recommend for someone with offshore aspirations or in places like San Francisco Bay where heavy air and a stiff chop would render it wet, slow, and uncomfortable. However, if you plan some coastal or lake adventures and are limited by a 2,000-pound tow capacity and a recession-era budget, then the Venture 21 definitely deserves a look.

There is one key caveat: Because it is easy to underestimate the amount of work required to revive barn-found boat, we would strongly urge looking for a Venture 21 that is in sailaway condition, rather than a project boat. Dealing with the iron keel alone can be a time-consuming project, and despite the boat’s interesting history, this adds little or no to resale value. On the good side, however, should you decide to embark on the restoration of a Venture 21, you will not be alone. Plenty have done it before, and given the boat’s irresistibly low price tag, more will surely follow in their wake.

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What kind of Trailer did your boat have. Mine (1972) is a 4″ welded C Channel, Is this a factory style trailer or somebody’s back yard built. It has the right v notches for the C/B etc.

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10-09-2012, 15:57  
Boat: New Horizons 25'
. I have not yet seen the , or any pictures, so I'm basing everything I know right now on the brief description given me by the owner.

I will go look at the in two days when he is available, so I hope to know much more then, but for the time being I am looking for thoughts or on what to look for when I do inspect it.



However, if it is in reasonably good condition, I would consider it; I'm just not going to walk into it with the expectation that I MUST buy the boat.

I have read a couple on surveying a small sailboat, so I shouldn't be totally in the dark, and quite frankly, the asking is modest enough that if I totally blundered and purchased it and it turned out to be completely unsalvageable, I could write it off without hating myself. Obviously that would be an extreme case though.

Based on the seller's description, it is not a boat, but completely ready to sail as is. are less than 24 months old, it includes the , is due a job, and has no damage. He was vague about , so I have very little expectations there. I doubt it has an .
His reason for the low price was that he bought a new "Party Barge" and needed this boat gone because he had no where to store it now.

Now, my ideal boat is not a 22 footer with 4' , but there are several reasons this particular style might be a very good fit for me. All of my assumptions about Venture 22's are taken from the book "Sailors Book of Small Cruising Sailboats" 2010, Henkel, and not from any actual experience, so if you have reason for me to doubt, please feel free to let me know.

An unsinkable swing boat with a kick up and 2600 lb trailering weight would be easier for me to get in and out than a larger, heavier boat. My minivan can tow 3500 lb, so I wouldn't have to make extra trips to take the boat and to the lake separately. I assume I could after every sail if I desired, and a ball should cost around $500 a year if I decided to go that .

The has "5" berths, and although the double v-berth and double dinette are suspect at best, my are still young enough that occasionally overnighting with them would be a real possibility. And of course, with the , we could take a tent and just pick a secluded beach to camp at as well. If the boat has a pop-top, the with it up should be 6'1" which is very manageable for me.

Now I would be extremely pleased if, after the price, I could spend < $2k getting the boat ready for spring. The total would be about 1/2 the cost I had expected to get into a boat. I would be very happy working on the over the , and with a heated, indoor workspace available, would expect to have ~250 hours of time to on it if I needed it.

After I see the boat, and try to take pictures, I'll let you all know what it's actual condition is at that point.
10-09-2012, 16:15  
Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad
22' Westerly Nomad -
10-09-2012, 19:06  
Boat: New Horizons 25'
, if that's true, makes me think it has at least been used recently.
10-09-2012, 19:31  
Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad
and spongy decks, and other obvious things.

Make sure that the is in decent shape.

Be sure that the seller has the title! Bonded titles are a hassle!

But you mentioned that you have been researching on doing your own , so I probably don't need to tell you all this.

If you like it, I'd say get it. You can usually get your back out of small if you haven't overpaid for them, and it will give you some extra fun/bonding time with the kids.

are a LOT cheaper for these small too! 22' Westerly Nomad -
10-09-2012, 19:50  
Boat: Pearson 365 Sloop and 9' Fatty Knees.
10-09-2012, 20:16  
Boat: Beneteau M500 50'3"
around the tabernacle where the is stepped you are looking for overt sponginess (usually a sign of of the glass and the core).
3, check the centreboard cable for any wear or fraying of the cable
4, check the mount on the transom for it being solid
5, check the hinge pin on the , these rudders will swell when in the and jam at the most inopportune times.
6, check the chain plates where they go through the decks, make sure all the cotter pins are in and there is no , also check the bolts in the
and last but not least
7, check for and cupping on the trailer tires any cupping will be produced by bad bearings
10-09-2012, 20:38  
Boat: New Horizons 25'
I'll take a chance on a less than superb quality built boat.

dsmastern,
Thanks for the encouragement! Cost of parts/ownership for the smaller boat definitely was a factor in deciding to look, as was the close (<1 hour) distance to me. I wasn't planning on actually "shopping" for a boat til spring, but I decided to give this a shot since it has the potential to be a steal.
10-09-2012, 23:22  
Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad
22', big waves 2 miles out of Biscayne Bay.

10-09-2012, 23:27  
Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad
22' Westerly Nomad -
12-09-2012, 16:29  
Boat: New Horizons 25'
22 I looked at today.

First of all, I am not going to it. Although the boat didn't seem to be a total wreck, it had been neglected badly for several years. I didn't even bother to look at the sails he brought with him, although I'll give him a kudos for storing them off the boat, since he hadn't even checked on it this calender year.

I'm quite sure that anyone who has looked at old small sailboats has seen everything I'm about to describe, but I'll do it anyway, as well as post some pics. (low res, since my digital didn't and I was forced to use only my cell)

First off, there was nothing special about the boat. It had no , , , , or upgrades that I could see at all. The seemed to be mostly sound, even around chainplates and stanchions, but I honestly only gave that a cursory look since by then I knew I wasn't going to buy it.

The owner informed me that it leaked when it rained, and the would rise over the sole at times of heavy rain. He wasn't sure where it leaked, but my guess is everywhere, including a very ill fitting . He had no keys for the padlocks, and I was slightly worried he was trying to sell me someone else's boat. To get inside I slid the to the point where the padlock was tight and then heaved out and the plastic popped out of it's tracks. All at his direction, by the way.

There was water in the bottom (Forgive me if I have the terminology wrong, but to my understanding, the small swing boats such as this don't truly have a "bilge") which had stagnated badly, and the entire inside was filthy. the were surprisingly nice looking, but I believe two were missing.

The trailer was an absolute wreck, but the seller was quick to point out it was a 1990 model. Tires were dry rotted, lights were taped on or missing, all the very exposed wire was sun damaged and brittle.

The bow eye had pulled out, been replaced with a u-bolt, and pulled out again. The was the only real "damage" I saw, but again, I didn't look all that hard.

In retrospect I wish I had spent more time looking for soft spots on the and checking things like the keel pivot bolt and cable, just so I would have a better idea next time I go look. Hopefully the next boat will be in at least good enough shape to warrant an actual and not just a cursory look.

On the positive side of things, I believe a 22' trailer sailor would be a workable size for my purposes. It may be a touch small, but the ability to easily store it and move it myself should be an acceptable off.
12-09-2012, 16:41  
Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad
lifestyle.

Now that the season is nearing the end, you may find some good deals. Just keep your eyes open! 22' Westerly Nomad -
12-09-2012, 17:02  
Boat: Cal 2-30
given above. I had the pop top model so could get some headroom at . The bow vberth is useless since most of that space contains the foam to make it unsinkable. Maybe the minivan could pull it ok but if you have a steep launch you may need another vehicle to help you retrieve it.
19-09-2012, 12:56  
Boat: 99 Island Packet 380
and 3 genoas. I did replace the as it was too unreliable- looked like it was from the 70's also. The hulls and decks of the Ventures are thick solid glass and well built. The boat handles waves well, but really prefers light wind- less than 15 knots. I've only sailed it at a lake, so the is always gusty. Anything over 10 knots and I have the main reefed. We've never slept on the boat due to the lack of space and room. The early Ventures are great starter boats and I highly recommend them: , solid and easy to maintain. Just reduce sail early and you'll have fun.
19-09-2012, 13:36  
Boat: Mainship Pilot 34
that old wreck twenty years ago for about $1,000.

David
19-09-2012, 13:38  
Boat: Pearson 365 Sloop and 9' Fatty Knees.
 
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Captain grog

Good morning, I recently purchased according to the bill of sale a 1970 venture 24. I'm not sure what the difference is between a 2-24 and a 24 is, mine is a fractional rig can anybody help me? Thanks  

finding41

Do you have the serial # off the boat. I don't know if they put them on the back right side of the transom back then. It could be inside somewhere. Maybe even under the cockpit. Post those #'s and someone will tell you. Welcome to the forum. Here is a link to a really helpful site. sailboatdata.com It will show the small differences between the models. Edit: It looks like they 2-24 wasn't built until 1971. So I'd say its a Venture 24. Link: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=68 Seems they made them for 3 years.  

Freedom77

If it has a pop top cabin it is a 2-24, if not it is a 24. This is how MacGregor designated the models. i.e. V-22, V-222.  

Thanks for the information , it has a pop top I will look under the cockpit tommorrow for some kind of number . Will it be on the overhead or on a bulkhead  

ID Location On one I had long ago, the numbers were on a 2x6 (one on each side) on the starboard side. The numbers were drilled in using many shallow holes to define the number. Good luck  

If you have the original mainsail with the original sail #, that will be the hull #. If not there should be a fore/aft stringer on the starboard side under the cockpit. The hull # is drill into that stringer. Let us know how ya make out. Later boats have the serial/hull # molded into the hull on the starboard stern upper mold.  

Freedom77 said: If you have the original mainsail with the original sail #, that will be the hull #. If not there should be a fore/aft stringer on the starboard side under the cockpit. The hull # is drill into that stringer. Let us know how ya make out. Later boats have the serial/hull # molded into the hull on the starboard stern upper mold. Click to expand

Hull Number While GENERALLY the hull number was the sail number, it is not always the case. I picked up my Venture 21 at the factory in Costa Mesa in December 1970. Those original sails had a different number than the hull number drilled into the stringer under the cockpit. I always assumed it was a mistake at the factory. Since I had driven from Michigan where we lived to pick up the boat, I was not about to make a big deal about it.  

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This sail is a very popular option, and a huge upgrade from the factory sail at a really good price. The heavier cloth will hold its good shape much longer through the life of the sail. Includes one reef at 42" which is a standard first reef rather than the factory sail that had one very deep reef, essentially the second reef with the first reef missing. This gives you the ability to reef sooner and continue to sail comfortably and efficiently longer. Also includes jack lines and "dogbone" tack reef fittings for easier reefing. This sail has a loose foot, meaning that the sail is attached to the boom at the tack and with a single heavy outhaul slide. We have also eliminated the unnecessary bolt and foot rope to give better sail shape throughout the life of the sail.

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Venture 24/224, Venture 25, MacGregor 25, 26C & 26D requires halyard to be raised 24" above headstay.

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A nice upgrade from the basic factory sails, 5.0 OZ Dacron, White Dacron UV cover, telltales, sail bag.

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This is a nice upgrade from the factory Hank-On 150% Genoa, made with heavier and higher quality fabric. Comes with tell tales and a sail bag, and standard brass push style Hanks to attach to your headstay.

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This sail is made to order, 6 weeks delivery.


This is the original factory size jib which did not go all the way to the top of the headstay, it is about 2' short of maximum hoist. MacGregor built these boats with full hoist Genoas, but not quite full hoist Jibs. Most people prefer to use our part # 7203-1V0 which is a more modern full hoist jib which was used on the later model M25 and M26 classic. With brass push style Hanks to attach to the headstay.

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. This part is CDI part #2010 or "B" in the diagram. This is the newer winch style mast raising system for use on all MacGregor and Venture boats except the 26M. This system can be used if you don't have a mast raiser at all or if you want to update a block and tackle style system to the newer winch style.

Most boats will need some additional hardware, especially if you don't have any mast raiser at all now.

This system is very specific to the MacGregor Mast and MacGregor hardware and is not sold for or intended to be used on other brands of boats.



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This kit includes all the parts you will need to convert an existing block and tackle style mast raiser to the newer winch style. You will need a good mast raising pole with all of its standard hardware and your existing side support wire assemblies to make this kit work. If you do not have a good pole order the complete kit, part #3418-1M0 for the 26M or #3418-1V0 for all other MacGregor or Venture boats.

Installation of this kit requires that you drill 2 new holes in the mast raising pole to mount the winch and 1 hole in the mast for the mast raising bail.

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Sail area / displ. 23.47
Ballast / displ. 27.38 %
Displ. / length 96.60
Comfort ratio 9.24
Capsize 2.48
Hull type Monohull swing keel
Construction Fiberglass
Waterline length 21.33 ft
Maximum draft 4.50 ft
Displacement 2100 lbs
Ballast 575 lbs
Hull speed 6.19 knots

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Sail area (100%) 240 sq.ft
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Sail area fore 101.13 sq.ft
Sail area main 138.50 sq.ft
I 22.08 ft
J 9.16 ft
P 25 ft
E 11.08 ft
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    Jul 29, 2010. 1,392. Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada. Jul 3, 2014. #6. If you have the original mainsail with the original sail #, that will be the hull #. If not there should be a fore/aft stringer on the starboard side under the cockpit. The hull # is drill into that stringer. Let us know how ya make out.

  14. Macgregor Venture of Newport sailboat for sale in Maine

    1.5-6'. Maine. $3,500. Description: 24 Newport Venture fiberglass with classic lines based on English pilot cutters. Hull is in excellent condition with swing keel center board. Bowsprit of mahogany. Equipment: Low hours Yamaha 8 hp outboard mounted on a heavy duty pull up bracket.

  15. Venture 24/224

    Venture 24/224, Venture 25, MacGregor 25, 26C & 26D requires halyard to be raised 24" above headstay. See our Spinnaker Halyard Relocation Kit to raise the halyard. Part number #3807-1V4. Does not include sheets. Roller Furling / 5.0 Dacron / White UV cover.

  16. 1970 Macgregor Venture 24 sailboat for sale in Wisconsin

    6 sails. 2 Mainsails, original is fair to poor, current main is good with 1 set reef points, battens on leech. 4 Headsails, original 110 Genoa from fractional rig is fair and works well as a stand alone in heavy breeze. 170 Genoa with tear on luff, otherwise good. 160 Genoa is good. 150 Genoa is good and the common "go to" for her.

  17. Macgregor/Venture, 2-24, 1973, Orono, Maine sailboat for sale

    Macgregor/Venture, 2-24, 1973, Orono, Maine. 4/20/10, Macgregor/Venture, 2-24, 1973, Orono, Maine, $2,500, Taken off market 8/2/10 ... Texas Lakes: Advertise with us: Contact: Free Sailboat Ad: Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale . Macgregor/Venture, 2-24, 1973 General condition and any additional information: I have ...

  18. Venture 24

    The Venture 24 is a 24.58ft fractional sloop designed by Roger MacGregor and built in fiberglass by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1969 and 1971. The Venture 24 is an ultralight sailboat which is a very high performer. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized.

  19. Macgregor Venture Boats for sale

    1973 Macgregor Venture 2-24,1973 Venture 2-24 by MacGregor. Very nicely restored and appointed. Sleeps four, convertible dinette. ... boat, motor(15hp Johnson),And trailer with 2 new tires.Boat was totally rerigged 10 years ago. It has a mahogany electric box with all electronics individually switched, 4 life preservers, 4 throwable cushions ...

  20. MACGREGOR 25

    The first version was called the VENTURE 25. With relatively few changes, it became the MACGREGOR 25 (around 1980). With more than 7000 boats sold, it's one of the most popular models from this builder. Masthead Rig: I: 28.3′ J: 9.75′ P: 24.5′ E: 10.5′ Photo of Venture 25 courtesy Adam Hunt.

  21. Macgregor Yacht Corp

    MacGregor Yacht Co. was founded by Roger MacGregor in 1961 as part of class project while he was an MBA student at the University of California. Located in southern California. The first boat was a small catamaran, but the product line consisted mainly of small, trailerable sailing yachts, from a 15-foot (4.6 m) catamaran to 17-foot (5.2 m) pocket cruisers, up to 26-foot water ballasted ...

  22. 1973 Macgregor venture 2 24ft sailboat (Make Offer)

    Negotiable. Need gone. Boat trailer comes with. Title In hand. Make offer

  23. MACGREGOR 22

    The MACGREGOR 22 is similar to the VENTURE 222. Photo courtesy of Adam Hunt. Sailboat Forum. View All Topics: ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised draft. For boats with adjustable keels (centerboards ...