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CS27 vs C&C27 So I might be having a slight bit of 3-footitis, any opinions on the above two boats? Both seem to be of a similar quality, both sail well (from what I've heard).  Tough call..... The CS 27 is well known for construction quality, and sails well, esp upwind. The C&C 27 might be considered the 'prettier' boat, it's hard to beat the classic C&C sheerline, and personally I prefer C&C's hull deck joint treatment. I think you'll find that cockpit-wise they are similar, the C&C may have a marginal edge in interior space and wider side decks for moving forward. Both have aluminum framed ports (C&C in earlier editions) that can be prone to leakage, but so can the bonded lenses on later C&Cs. IMO the newer bonded, tinted ports update the look of the C&C substantially. The CS seems marginally powered if you have the original horizontal Yanmar, a friend has trouble powering much more than 4-4.5 knots, but there could be other issues at play there. Many C&Cs have A4s, which I don't believe CS ever did (but could be wrong about that) so that's another comparison point. Don't think you could go wrong with a good example of either...  Faster said: Tough call..... The CS 27 is well known for construction quality, and sails well, esp upwind. The C&C 27 might be considered the 'prettier' boat, it's hard to beat the classic C&C sheerline, and personally I prefer C&C's hull deck joint treatment. I think you'll find that cockpit-wise they are similar, the C&C may have a marginal edge in interior space and wider side decks for moving forward. Both have aluminum framed ports (C&C in earlier editions) that can be prone to leakage, but so can the bonded lenses on later C&Cs. IMO the newer bonded, tinted ports update the look of the C&C substantially. The CS seems marginally powered if you have the original horizontal Yanmar, a friend has trouble powering much more than 4-4.5 knots, but there could be other issues at play there. Many C&Cs have A4s, which I don't believe CS ever did (but could be wrong about that) so that's another comparison point. Don't think you could go wrong with a good example of either... Click to expand... I would love a 30, but that's 10k more at a minimum. There's a CS27 locally to me for under $10k, and a couple of C&C27s for a similar amount across the strait. That just puts them into "affordable" territory. You cant go wrong with either of them. Go for the one in best condition. SNer mitiempo is near you, Paul, and lives aboard a CS27... hopefully he'll chime in for you, or have you met/talked to him already? The deck core of the C&C27 is a significant weak point. Yet the 8hp diesel of CS27 is lacking speed and power, especially on the ocean. Take the C&C with the rebuilt or dry deck core only.  The CS is a bit bigger boat - 1/2 ton more Disp, 1/2 a foot more beam & a foot more W/L. Both are good old boats but I find the CS boats seem to hold up a smidge better over time. There are a couple of donated C&C 27's at Harbour Yachts - or are those the ones you referred to?  CS only offered Yanmar diesels in this model, different Yanmars over the production run. Side decks are narrow but design allowed for walking on cabin side under sail. Check the head door - it's a love/hate thing. When you stand in the passageway between main & forward cabin, turn to face the door on port, slip both barrel bolts then turn aft and the door will block off main cabin. Head sink slides in/out. They are both simply built nuts n bolts boats. CS always offered welded bow and stern rails rather than the socket and tee units on earlier C & C's. Gibb winches on earlier CS (later Lewmar) vs Barient. CS had a cheap painted steel fuel tank strapped underneath the cockpit. The last year we built them a few were built with Beckson opening ports. You have/had a C & C 24? You'll see the similarities in the 27's. Both good choices, subject to viewing, survey, owner maintenance and updates. Happy Sailing! Seems like the folks sailing C&C 27's are having a ball. The boat appears to have just the right mix to be able to race in light winds and cruise in heavier stuff. The C&C Association BBS is alive and kicking making for a bit of fun cult following. Not sure if the CS27 & C&C30 have the same chemistry. I'm close to buying a C&C 27 myself with the added possibility that if I have to trailer the old girl myself for storage, it is doable. Has the YSM12 which I think is gem. Best Regards Well I went to take a look at the CS27 up the road from me. All was going well until we got to the bulkheads, the port chainplate is leaking and that bulkhead is starting to rot, and the bulkhead between the v-berth and the hanging locker on the starboard side was shot. The rest of the boat was OK, plenty of cosmetics needed, new cushions, running rigging etc but otherwise fairly decent. It looked like a boat forgotten by its owner for a couple of years, and unfortunately those couple of years don't look like they've been kind to it. Shame as otherwise it seemed a nicely laid out boat. Any thoughts on this? 27ft Paceship sailboat There are a couple of donated C&C 27's at Harbour Yachts - or are those the ones you referred to? Click to expand... Not really. I see them when I drop by Race Rock. Nothing nasty jumps out at me but they need a lot of cosmetic love. They are donations and have been sitting there for quite a while so I imagine you could try a pretty low offer. Ray has a Grampian 30 for the same price range as well - also a donation. I'll take a look at them when I'm down there next - probably tomorrow, That's be great Jon, thanks. I see they also have a yellow C&C30 just listed, any chance of a quick peek at that if you have a minute? Cosmetic stuff I can handle, not scared to get busy scrubbing and buffing, even new cushions etc aren't too much to worry about. "Trincomali' used to belong to Steve Tupper, former head of BC Sailing... I'm going to have a quick look tomorrow, I'm over on the mainland for some meetings so will scoot out to west van. As long as the boat is basically sound then I can always add things as I go along, at least that way I know exactly what they are and how old they are. Also helps that I can get a bunch of stuff at cost, including a new engine if necessary. The Paceship PY26 has a good reputation. Mine is a P29. But the one you are looking at is a little jewel, and may be priced well above the average market value. I find the C&C30to be a large boat. Possibly too large if the wife never gets comfortable sailing. Top Contributors this Month - New Sailboats
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Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts.  1979 Canadian SailCraft CS27Seller's DescriptionCS27 with Dinghy and New Outboard FIRST: THERE ARE MANY BOAT SCAMS OUT THERE. TO ALLEVIATE ANY FEAR OF ANY BUYER OR ME, I WILL NOT ASK YOU FOR ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION NOR ANY MONEY UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN THE BOAT AND MY DOCUMENTS AND WE HAVE MET. I WILL BEHAVE HONESTLY AND PROFESSIONALLY. AND PLEASE, I EXPECT THE SAME FROM. YOU THE POTENTIAL BUYER. I’m selling my awesome CS 27 as a complete cruising package with Highfield dinghy and 2020 Honda 9.9 included. The boat is ready to go cruise the Caribbean. I finished a year of cruising around Bahamas, Cuba, DR and parked it in DR. After 5 amazing years with this boat, I am upgrading to a bigger vessel. The CS 27 is a very robust blue water design (Raymond Wall), capable of big waters. It is excellent for a single handed or a couple wanting to enjoying cruising in a very economical boat. Many many upgrades have been done, including electrical. Vessel registered in Canada and USA import and duty paid complete. CRUISING SEASON STARTS THE END OF NOVEMBER!! Equipment: HULL The hull is in excellent condition. Research will show that this model of boat has a very strong history. It is a hand Lay-Up solid fibreglass hull. NO BLISTERS. I did a bottom job twice, the most recent was January 2020 with top of the line Interlux Micron 66. There would be two years of cruising left on the bottom paint. The thru-hulls for the toilet intake, sink drain and waste water dump have been replaced with Maralon valves and thu-hulls. ENGINE Engine is a Yanmar YSB8 in great condition. It has never given me any trouble. It always starts and runs well. This is probable due to the two previous owners not using the boat very often. I had a diesel mechanic look at it during the big refit 2017 and his opinion was its in excellent condition. I have complete logs of angina use and maintenance since I took the boat. The original boat trip instrument showing total boat miles shows 5000 up to 2017 when I disconnected it to install the new Ramarine instruments. INSTRUMENTATION/NAV Raymarine i40 instruments (two) with depth,speed,wind,temp. 2017 connected to NMEA 2000 backbone in the boat. Also able to connect a chart plotter directly to the NMEA 2000 system. I just used an ipad. Brand new in the box Simrad tiller auto pilot that also connects to the NMEA 2000. SAILS Sail package include Main and 150% Genoa on roller fuller. There is a spare main sail and a spare 100% Genoa. All in good condition. I replaced the running rigging for these where needed and there are many spare lines in the boat. ELECTRICAL The electrical has had a major upgrade for cruising. Rewired, new nav lights, two 105 amp hour AGM batteries 2019 plus one spare 2020 One separate start battery 2019 Batteries connected through an SI-ACR charging relay. 370 watts of solar ( two Renogy and one Sunpower panels) Solar charging connected to victron energy charge controller and battery monitor with blue tooth monitoring. Inverter is a 1000 watt pure sign wave inverter from Kisae. I set this boat up for fully off grid sailboat cruising regarding power. WATER SYSTEM 25 gallon fresh water tank, with two 2018 water pumps 25 gallon waste water tank with new 2019 macerator pump for dumping. DINGHY/OUTBOARD Of course it is all set up for immediate cruising with a Dinghy and motor. Its a 2014 Highfield CL290, fully titled. And a new Honda 4 stroke 9.9 outboard bought in November 2020. (About 50 hours total- price was $2600) The boat has a valid ship station licence, and MMSI number. Commonly needed for DSC radios, AIS, etc. SUMMARY The boat has a valid ship station licence, and MMSI number. Commonly needed for DSC radios, AIS, etc. Full cruising equipment list with significant upgrades. Contact seller for complete description. Rig and SailsAuxilary power, accomodations, calculations. The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more. Classic hull speed formula: Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL Sail Area / Displacement RatioA measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more. SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3 - SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement RatioA measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize. Ballast / Displacement * 100 Displacement / Length RatioA measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ - D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort RatioThis ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more. Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 ) - D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening FormulaThis formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more. CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64) The optional shoal draft model has a longer bolt-on lead keel. Draft: 3.92’/1.19m Displacement: 6500 lbs./2948 kgs. Ballast: 2800 lbs./1270 kgs. Sail Area/Disp.: 15.71 Bal./Disp.: 43.08%;Disp./Len.: 212.02 About 90 boats were fitted with these lead fins. In 1977, the rudder area was increased. CS also offered owners a rudder retrofit kit that added two inches to the forward edge to improve helm balance. Three years later, the mast was changed from a Proctor to an Isomat section, the fibreglass cabin sole was replaced with teak and holly , and cupboard doors were finished with woven cane fronts. The Yanmar YSE was replaced with the 1GM as standard equipment. Drawing shown here is from introductory brochure. This listing is presented by SailboatListings.com . Visit their website for more information or to contact the seller. View on SailboatListings.com Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. ©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. | 
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Ballast: 2800 lbs./1270 kgs. Sail Area/Disp.: 15.71. Bal./Disp.: 43.08%;Disp./Len.: 212.02. About 90 boats were fitted with these lead fins. In 1977, the rudder area was increased. CS also offered owners a rudder retrofit kit that added two inches to the forward edge to improve helm balance.
The CS 27 is a small recreational keelboat, built predominantly of fibreglass.It has a masthead sloop rig, a transom-hung rudder and a fixed fin keel.It displaces 6,100 lb (2,767 kg) and carries 2,400 lb (1,089 kg) of ballast. [1] [2]The boat has a draft of 5.17 ft (1.58 m) with the standard iron-ballasted keel and 3.92 ft (1.19 m) with the optional longer shoal draft lead-ballasted keel.
CS 27 is a 27′ 0″ / 8.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Raymond Wall and built by CS Yachts (Canadian Sailcraft) between 1975 and 1983. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds ...
The Cs 27 is a 27.0ft masthead sloop designed by Raymond Wall and built in fiberglass by CS Yachts (Canadian Sailcraft) between 1975 and 1983. 480 units have been built. The Cs 27 is a light sailboat which is a reasonably good performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.
The CS 27 is a small recreational keelboat, built predominantly of fibreglass. It has a masthead sloop rig, a transom-hung rudder and a fixed fin keel. It displaces 6,100 lb (2,767 kg) and carries 2,400 lb (1,089 kg) of ballast. The boat has a draft of 5.17 ft (1.58 m) with the standard iron-ballasted keel and 3.92 ft (1.19 m) with the optional longer shoal draft lead-ballasted keel.
The C&C 27 followed quickly on the heels of the successful C&C 35. The design dates to 1970, with the first boats coming off the line in 1971. C&C tweaked the design through four versions of the original 27-the Mark I, II, III and IV-but the hulls were very similar. The C&C 27s production ended in 1982 after nearly 1,000 had been built.
The CS 27 has been built with different keels. Fin keel. One option is a fin keel. A boat with a fin keel is more manoeuvrable but has less directional stability than a similar boat with a full keel. The boat can enter most marinas as the draft is just about 1.58 - 1.68 meter (5.18 - 5.48 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.
The CS 27 was built as a robust, ocean-going boat.". The first hull was delivered in 1975, and production continued into 1983, with about 480 built. With a ballast/displacement ratio of .39, the deep keel version had a 2,400 lb. Cast-iron fin keel bolted to the hull.
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Price. 1977. 27'. 9.3'. 5.2'. Outside United States. $. Description: CS Yachts very popular 27-foot sloop, fiberglass hull, 5'2"- draft, 9'3"- beam, inboard Yanmar engine 8HP, can accommodate of five of people, standing headroom, comfortable interior and a good sailing performance she's an excellent value; washroom, hanging locker, life jackets ...
If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of CS 27. Built by CS Yachts (Canadian Sailcraft) and designed by Raymond Wall, the boat was first built in 1975. It has a hull type of Fin w/transom hung rudder and LOA is 8.23.
1988 Olson 34, by Ericson Yachts. There is no fundamental difference in skill required to operate a 30' compared to a 27' - there's just not that much difference in size. A big 27' like the C&C is the same "size" as a small 30'. The old C&C 27' and 30' from the 70's have to be seen side by side to tell the difference.
1977 27' CS 27 sailboat for sale in Pultneyville NY Lake Ontario New York. Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. ... Specs Keel: Shoal draft lead/antimony draw 3'-11". ... CS Sailboats CS 27s New York CSs. Featured Sailboats: Home. Register & Post. View All Sailboats. Search. Avoid Fraud.
19468 posts · Joined 2005. #2 · Mar 2, 2013. Tough call..... The CS 27 is well known for construction quality, and sails well, esp upwind. The C&C 27 might be considered the 'prettier' boat, it's hard to beat the classic C&C sheerline, and personally I prefer C&C's hull deck joint treatment. I think you'll find that cockpit-wise they are ...
In 1971 CS dropped dinghy production and began building keelboats under a new name, CS Yachts. In its best year, 1986, CS built 175 30s, 33s, and 36s and the company moved to an expanded 100,000 sq. ft. facility the following year. By 1990 the company began to wind down it's production due to the diminishing demand for new boats and closed in 1992.
CS 27 Specifications: L.O.A.: 27' 0" (8.23 m) L.W.L.: 23' 11" (7.29 m) Beam: 9' 4" (2.84 m) Draft: 5' 2" (1.57 m) ... The CS 27 is a sleek boat that was built strong enough for some serious ocean sailing. This boat was available with a fin keel that reaches down 5' 2", and a shoal keel with a very reasonable draft of 3' 11". Close to 500 were ...
The C&C 27 (MK I-IV) was one of C&C Yachts most successful model. Almost 1000 were built over a period of nearly 10 years. (Until 1982) Mark I (hulls 1-167) (shown here) Mark II (168-452), produced from 1972 to 1974. Same dimensions as Mark I, except for a taller rig though with same sail area and other minor changes.
The higher a boat's D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL: Waterline length in feet
A fifth design, the C&C 27 Mark V, was a totally different design. Heres a look at the various editions of the C&C 27, and how they differed from one another. Mark I: Production ran from 1970 to 1972; hull numbers 1 through 167. Shorter hull and shortest rigs, with single upper and single lower shrouds. Mainsail traveller mounted aft in cockpit.
Sailboat Specifications Definitions Hull Type: Fin w/transom hung rudder: Rigging Type: Masthead Sloop: LOA: 26.50 ft / 8.08 m: ... The C&C 27 MK V is a new design replacing C&C's earlier 27 footers. It was built in Canada as well as the US. The Yanmar diesel was an option. Shoal draft: 3.5'/1.067m
The CS 27 is a very robust blue water design (Raymond Wall), capable of big waters. It is excellent for a single handed or a couple wanting to enjoying cruising in a very economical boat. Many many upgrades have been done, including electrical. Vessel registered in Canada and USA import and duty paid complete.
Sailboat Specifications Definitions Hull Type: Fin w/spade rudder: Rigging Type: Masthead Sloop: LOA: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m: ... This was the most popular model built by CS yachts with more than 90 built in the first year alone. Shoal draft version: 4.25'/1.3m. Shoal draft (wing keel with spade rudder); 4.5'/1.37m.