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Just not to be missunderstood. I am asking for two things, First, I would like to find plans for real boats that is close either of the boats which are in the videos. Preferable around 560 or so. It does not need to be class-legal . Material - plywood and/or foam. Second - if that is not possible, I would like to find plans for similar rc-boats that I can build and gaign some experience from. Only modification I would like to do for NF3 If I could, Just slightly larger amas as failback. And no, I am for some reason not very found of windrider. Maybe thats because I want to build the boat myself. Because there are no plans for that trimaran, I am trying to find a way to accomplish my wishes in some other way. To my sadness I have not fond anything near that is possible for me to buid more than as a rc-boat, so I figure I should start there and build a rc-boat first to gain some experience. I have found 2 videos of quite similar rc-boats that best suit my wishes. If I find plans for such a rc-bot I would like to play around with some modifications. Preferable modifications I would like to do is 1.AXE-Bow 2."Flexing" amas. 3. and I guess most important - selfadjusting foils. But I can not find planes for building them. Do anyone know to find plans for similar rc-boats to start from.? OR maybe even better- full scale plans for boats of that kind.? If I can get full-scale plans, then I think that I maybe I first build a modell of the fulls-scale plans before I make the real thing.  

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Small Foiling Trimaran Peter, you might try posting on the German Mini 40* forum, link below. I received a nice note from the guy in your second(RC Hydrofoil Sailing...) video, Christophe Hubscher. (his note is under comments here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmXCdAlo4mk ) I'm sure he would help you and his boat is excellent! I have his e-mail--e-mail me and I'll give it to you. My e-mail is in my profile-click on my name. http://www.rc-network.de/forum/forumdisplay.php/166-Mini-40 Also you can send a PM( if you've reached the 5 post threshold) to "PerthMini40man" who posted in the MPX thread here: post 1238 http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/mu...lf-righting-trimaran-test-model-36058-83.html His "real" name is Ian Holt and he has designed some excellent surface piercing foilers. It appears that he stays within the Mini 40 Rules which prohibit an oversquare platform. Any surface piercing foiler will benefit greatly from an oversquare platform. Check posts 934 and 1175 as well. Also you could join and post here: http://www.rcgroups.com/sailboats-59/ There are a few multihull guys that post once in a while-one-Dick Lemke-may be able to help with plans. *Mini 40- length 48" Beam 48"-and sail area is limited-forgot the number. ==================== A surface piercing foiler will be simpler to build, but there is another type of foiler that could interest you and that uses fully submerged foils with wand altitude control. I designed and built a number of F3 foilers around 14 years ago. The great advantage of this type foiler is that it develops 100% of its righting moment using the foils. You might consider this for your second foiler. I can help with the technical stuff.  

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foilers Here are some full size cats using fully submerged and surface piercing foils-just for reference to foil systems: ================== Heres a video of a brand new 18' cat using a version of the same basic system Dr. Sam Bradfield used on his tris: dual independent wands controlling T-foils on each side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6bXg0LI5EQ#t=16 And here are some stills and a link to the Whites Dragon-an 18' foiler using surface piercing foils( http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/whites-dragons-mini-hydroptere-esq-35062.html ). And don't forget to check out the 18' Flying Phantom and Nacra F20FCS foiler threads here-both use UptiP foils(pioneered in AC 34 by TNZ) as well as the much larger GC32 thread here-just to learn about foil types:  

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neptunkryssare said: ↑ Just not to be missunderstood. I am asking for two things, First, I would like to find plans for real boats that is close either of the boats which are in the videos. Preferable around 560 or so. It does not need to be class-legal . Material - plywood and/or foam. Second - if that is not possible, I would like to find plans for similar rc-boats that I can build and gaign some experience from. Only modification I would like to do for NF3 If I could, Just slightly larger amas as failback. And no, I am for some reason not very found of windrider. Maybe thats because I want to build the boat myself. Because there are no plans for that trimaran, I am trying to find a way to accomplish my wishes in some other way. To my sadness I have not fond anything near that is possible for me to buid more than as a rc-boat, so I figure I should start there and build a rc-boat first to gain some experience. I have found 2 videos of quite similar rc-boats that best suit my wishes. If I find plans for such a rc-bot I would like to play around with some modifications. Preferable modifications I would like to do is 1.AXE-Bow 2."Flexing" amas. 3. and I guess most important - selfadjusting foils. But I can not find planes for building them. Do anyone know to find plans for similar rc-boats to start from.? OR maybe even better- full scale plans for boats of that kind.? If I can get full-scale plans, then I think that I maybe I first build a modell of the fulls-scale plans before I make the real thing. Click to expand...
Foilers Peter,talking with Christophe would be your best bet on getting plans for an RC foiler. Ian Holt might also be able to help for a Mini 40 version. Your idea of building a model to learn about this stuff is a good idea and has been done by some of the best in the business.  
Doug Lord said: ↑ Peter, you might try posting on the German Mini 40* forum, link below. I received a nice note from the guy in your second(RC Hydrofoil Sailing...) video, Christophe Hubscher. (his note is under comments here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmXCdAlo4mk ) I'm sure he would help you and his boat is excellent! I have his e-mail--e-mail me and I'll give it to you. My e-mail is in my profile-click on my name. http://www.rc-network.de/forum/forum...hp/166-Mini-40 Click to expand...
foilers Initially, you said you wanted a trimaran-have you changed your mind. A trimaran does better with an oversquare beam which gives you more power at little cost in weight. The only reason Mini 40's are square is because of a crazy rule.....  
Doug Lord said: ↑ Initially, you said you wanted a trimaran-have you changed your mind. A trimaran does better with an oversquare beam which gives you more power at little cost in weight. The only reason Mini 40's are square is because of a crazy rule..... Click to expand...
And yes, thats one of the reasons why I search for other planes than the mini 40s that I downloaded.  

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idkfa said: ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXSgZCDVWOM Click to expand...

Foilers Peter, as you get more into this you'll be able to distinguish foil types better: the model in your video uses surface piercing foils(automatic altitude control with speed)-you can tell because of the angle. The rudder T-foil is a trailing foil that "follows" the main foils. The rigs are similar in principle to the Hobie Trifoiler, but the Trifoiler uses fully submerged foils controlled by forward facing "feelers" that move the foils to control altitude. Hope it works out with Christophe!  

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So all this hoopla with Doug's Fire Arrow, and there's already a very lovely, simple and wandless design out there, making it look easy. Thanks for linking those videos. They're refreshing to see.  
R.Finn said: ↑ So all this hoopla with Doug's Fire Arrow, and there's already a very lovely, simple and wandless design out there, making it look easy. Thanks for linking those videos. They're refreshing to see. Click to expand...
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  1. Home page

    Home page - RC Foil Sailing. Home /Home page. Home page. Filter. RTF DragonFoiler DF 95 Foiling Trimaran. $1,795.00. DragonFoiler DF 95 Foiling Trimaran Conversion Kit (No Hull) $1,195.00.

  2. RC Foil Sailing

    About RC Foil Sailing. Building on from 45 years of sailing a multitude of yachts from racing dinghies to keel boats I started sailing radio yachts in 2002 initially buying a Seawind plastic kit but soon progressing to the 1.0m and Marblehead class winning 3 National titles. I still enjoy sailing my Marblehead 15 years later.

  3. Radio Controlled Foiling America's Cup Catamaran: AC 50RC

    The FINAL rule released in June 2015, set the length of the full size boat at 15m or 49.2'. instead of 48. My proposal (based on an earlier suggestion by John Xman) is to adopt the same change for the model: Length 1.5 m or 4.92 ' (59"). The AC guys are calling their boat the AC 50-in my opinion we should call this boat the "AC 50RC".

  4. Dragon Foiler

    Dragon Sailing North America is proud to offer our skippers the latest in cutting edge RC Sailing technology with the affordable & Revolutionary DragonFoiler, RC Foiling Trimaran brought to you from the mind of design guru Paul Goddard from New Zealand! Based on the center hull section of the DragonFlite 95, the DRAGONFOILER is a battle-tested ...

  5. Masters of the RC: Foiling Mini 40s Trimarans (II)

    Some links to videos are here. Most of the boats are from the Mini40 class, which is a 1/10th model of the 40ft class raced in Europe in the late 1980s. So the boats can be 1.22m long and 1.22m wide with a max sail area of 0.9sq metres. - Wing tips are on #46 tri.

  6. RC 1/5 Scale AC50 Foiling Catamaran

    The Fire Arrow foil system may be the best system for rough water especially if you look at the large fullsize tri's that use the system but neither of these tri's is an "Americas Cup" boat or an F50 type. But you could do an F50 type cat using a wand based foil system instead of a scale manual/electronic system.

  7. RG 65 with improved foil setup (RC sailing and foiling)

    RG 65 boat Orka MKII with foil and C-Rig.Improved foil setup. Fully flying phases on the foil over 30-50 meters. Under perfect conditions and timing also foi...

  8. rc hydrofoil boat Radiocontrolled Sailing yacht build for foiling #5

    This is the update video on my RC monohull foiler buildFeel free to ask anything that you don't understand thats what shis serach engine is made for.My priva...

  9. E1 RaceBird Lite

    E1 RaceBird RC Hydrofoil Boat 2.4GHz RTRItem No.: 8608E1 is the world s first and only all-electric raceboat championship sanctioned by the Union Internationale Motonautique (UIM). UIM E1 World Championship has granted Joysway the exclusive global licence to produce 1:14 scale remote control RaceBird model

  10. Foiling Mini 40s Trimarans update by Ian Holt

    To admire more of this great machines follow the Radio Control Multihulls label. Ian Holt: "New update on RC foiling trimaran action in the Philippines. Secret Service it's a new Mini40, built last year in Mandurah, south of Perth, West Australia by Dave Burke. The main changes are asymmetric floats, new foil shapes, and a method for ...

  11. How Things can go perfect! #15 foiling Monohull RC boat Sailing

    This is the update video on my RC monohull foiler buildi used a gimble to stabalize the video wich turned out to be a big FAIL... anyway- i will be working t...

  12. Want to build a small foiling trimaran

    I have found 2 videos of quite similar rc-boats that best suit my wishes. If I find plans for such a rc-bot I would like to play around with some modifications. Preferable modifications I would like to do is. 1.AXE-Bow. 2."Flexing" amas. 3. and I guess most important - selfadjusting foils.

  13. Hydrofoil building tips

    I bought an RC hydrofoil boat kit many years ago while working in Taiwan, a Gunze Sangyo Super Comet. I ruined the superstructure years ago and gave up on it. ... I found a foil calculation, and work it through for forward, and rear foils, and sent the results to Yoichi Takahashi, in Japan, and got a message back that said

  14. Nightmare MK VIII

    The Nightmare is designed to be able to sail on one float, it is a stable design which is not pitch poling easily. Look the pictures and the video clips of our boats. Free plans for the MK VII and the MK VIII can be downloaded here. Boat Data: - hull lenght 1200mm without front fender. - beam 1210mm. - epoxy-fiber glass floats , weight about ...

  15. Hydrofoiling remote controlled sailing trimaran on test + Video

    There was a good breeze at Austin Lakes, Mandurah, for test-sailing a Mini40 RC trimaran, using all four rigs, although too windy for the number one rig. Designer Ian Holt describes the remote controlled foiler's performance: The boat foiled upwind a few times but, will make changes to the foils before I sail the boat again.

  16. 10 Fantastic Foiling Boats

    10. New Zealand 'R' Class skiff. In New Zealand they love their skiff sailing, and development classes like the doublehanded 'R' Class are prime for new features. The 'R' Class started its project to get the fleet foiling back in 2008 and now there are a clutch of boats racing.

  17. UFO Foiling Catamaran for Sale

    The Foiling Sailboat For Everybody $2,000 Build deposit Price (FOB Rumford RI plant): $11,500 USD (this does not include shipping, packaging, or applicable duties, boat sales in RI are tax-free)A down payment of $2000 USD is required for build slot reservation and the remaining balance is due once your UFO is ready to

  18. iFLY15

    We can recommend the best iFLY setup and accessories for your boat. A great number of innovations all over the catamaran and the perfect match of all components allow controlled high-speed foiling experience. iFLY15 is full of innovations, e.g. in hull design, hydrofoils, rudders, automatic flight control system, two-layer wing trampoline, high ...

  19. Model Citizen Hobbies

    Model Citizen Hobbies, Saint Petersburg, Florida. 1,944 likes · 84 talking about this · 156 were here. Formerly Ralph's Hobbies, we offer one of Florida's largest selections of plastic, resin, vinyl kits. Model Citizen Hobbies, Saint Petersburg, Florida. 1,942 likes · 55 talking about this · 156 were here. ...

  20. Fast hydrofoiling sailing with RC Multihull

    Decent breeze at Austin Lakes, Mandurah. Sailing my own-designed Mini40 RC trimaran, using all four rigs, though too windy for the #1 rig. Video and photos...

  21. Windfoil Lessons in St. Petersburg

    *Please note that you need to know how to windsurf first before learning to foil.* 2 Hours - $190 Book Now! Beginner Wing Foiling Lessons. This 2 hour lesson will introduce you to wing foiling with both on-the-beach and water instruction. We will cover safety, wind theory and wing handling. For beginner lessons, we will not be using the foil ...

  22. SAIL LOFT ST PETERSBURG, FLORIDA, US

    Since opening our first sail loft in 1957, we have been the number one new sail choice for world-champion racers, superyachts, one-design sailboats, catamarans, trimarans, and casual cruisers. New sail options range to cater to any sailing adventure or budget. We look forward to welcoming you to our sail loft in St Petersburg, Florida.

  23. St. Petersburg Power & Sailboat Show

    The St. Petersburg Power and Sailboat Show, Presented by Progressive is the largest boat show on the Gulf Coast! Explore an impressive lineup of powerboats and sailboats displayed in-water and on-land, along with a 40,000 sq. ft. tent housing an extensive selection of marine equipment and accessories. Other show attractions include seminars ...